Curse

Kasstiel · Oct 05, 2009, 07:27 PM // 19:27

I want one, cause i like them, but i quit my last one because every other profession does a dervishes job better than a dervish, they also never get into pugs cause warrs are preferred now. And every idiot and his brother runs avvy of balth

Has stuff changed, is it safe to make a dervish and not suck and be excluded from pugs?
edit: pve btw

Slasher of Darkness · Oct 05, 2009, 07:41 PM // 19:41

Basically..no, nothing changed so far..assassins and warriors with scythe > dervish with scythe..:x that's why im considering having something else as my main...why have a char that can be outdone at it's own weapon

~ Dan ~ · Oct 05, 2009, 07:42 PM // 19:42

I don't join PuGs but i'm guessing people are still narrow minded that they only take the holy trinity classes. A derv can do anything a warrior can do, just as well - the only exception being d-slashing SY, but who cares.

I bet an orders derv would fit nicely in a physical heavy PuG too. But like I said, outside of speedclears people only want the team setup that's always worked, and don't want to try anything new. Personally when selecting a class, PuGs would be the last thing to help me decide, since they almost always fail.

Roll a dervish and play with H/H or guildies. It's a solid class; I have no regrets about rolling mine.

reaper with no name · Oct 05, 2009, 07:49 PM // 19:49

In general, yes, they're still outdone (there are a couple decent builds that aren't completely redundant, fortunately) by other professions. However, I've never had problems getting into PUGs with my dervish (either because there isn't anyone else available, or because PUGs don't realize that other classes are better, or because some PUGs figure someone who knowingly chooses a suboptimal class is probably skilled enough to compensate).

Desert Rose · Oct 05, 2009, 07:59 PM // 19:59

Are dervishes still out-done by other professions: Yes.
Are dervishes never get PUGs: No, the difference is so small that nearly noone cares.

Andemius · Oct 05, 2009, 08:11 PM // 20:11

Half the problem is Dervs and Paras (and to some extent outside farming sins and rits) were never part of the origonal game and people just found ways to use the 5 basic professions.

I know it's not great, but I think why should I have a para (i know we on about dervs but it's the same principle) on my team when i could have a ranger or ele?

Why have a derv when I can have a warrior is I think a big one.

Personally, if a derv is good, then why not, but i think people aren't used to them as much as warriors (and to some extent sins) so struggle to find a place for them in the team.

IronSheik · Oct 05, 2009, 08:30 PM // 20:30

PuGs don't care what profession you are. If you're running balthazar in a pug they think you are the most leetsauce thing ever.

And if all else fails, make the group.

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Cuilan · Oct 05, 2009, 08:50 PM // 20:50

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Originally Posted by ~ Dan ~

Personally when selecting a class, PuGs would be the last thing to help me decide, since they almost always fail.

Really? I've been pugging for years and it's almost always a success.

With that said, I haven't had any problems getting into a group as a dervish unless it was Urgoz, UW, etc.

Rhadamanthys · Oct 05, 2009, 08:53 PM // 20:53

In a pve pug, I would take a Dervish over a Ranger any day (unless he is running BHA in a heavy casting mission). Most Rangers just bring barrage which isn't that good at all compared to wounding strike/reaper's sweep.

Zodiac Meteor · Oct 05, 2009, 09:07 PM // 21:07

Thy loves dervishes. Prefers them over warriors in PuG. Thy post Kasstiel confuses me as that you say is false.

Beware Kasstiel, Halloween hates holy damage.

own age myname · Oct 05, 2009, 09:31 PM // 21:31

I like dervishes, sure not as good as a warrior, but not much worse. Sure, warriors are better at dervishes then a dervish itself. But, a warrior should be running a warrior build, like earthshaker which is far superior then a w/d imo.

rkubik · Oct 05, 2009, 09:50 PM // 21:50

been doing guardian title on my warrior and I think almost every PUG I have had had one Dervish in it. I see nothing wrong with them as long as the person that is playing knows what they hell to do. Just like any other profession. If you like that style play it. I haven't see any issues with getting in a group unless you have a terrible build.

turbo234 · Oct 05, 2009, 09:55 PM // 21:55

orders derv in a heavy physical team or just a regular heavy damage scythe build utilizing asuran scan/aura of holy might

**Marty Silverblade** · Oct 06, 2009, 06:21 AM // 06:21

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Originally Posted by own age myname

I like dervishes, sure not as good as a warrior, but not much worse. Sure, warriors are better at dervishes then a dervish itself. But, a warrior should be running a warrior build, like earthshaker which is far superior then a w/d imo.

So youre saying this:

Dervishes < Scythe Wars <<< ES/DS/HB Wars.

I'd say they're a fair bit better by that comparison.

Also, @OP, if I was getting a PuG together, I wouldn't care whether I had a War or a Derv. I'm far past the point where I have any hope of anyone else having a brain to create synergy in a build, so it's not like they could take advantage of the uber killing power of Wars.

~ Dan ~ · Oct 06, 2009, 08:21 AM // 08:21

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Originally Posted by Cuilan

Really? I've been pugging for years and it's almost always a success.

So by that you're saying the pve playerbase in general is pretty successful? I disagree, which is why I avoid said playerbase and trust my AI friends. It's lonely, but effective.

Ccat · Oct 06, 2009, 10:12 AM // 10:12

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Originally Posted by ~ Dan ~

So by that you're saying the pve playerbase in general is pretty successful? I disagree, which is why I avoid said playerbase and trust my AI friends. It's lonely, but effective.

I agree. I'd like to PuG, but since there's heroes I see no real need to fail with crappy copypasta skills and bad equipment rather than sort myself out, and have all the skills for the situation. It was often infuriating for me to do ZQ's and someone with like 300 health with no DP run into a bunch of nukers. and I'M the healer. Pretty tragic really.

I digress, I think Dervishes are looked down on because they're famous Scythe build can be done better by everyone else. Which is....ironic.

~ Dan ~ · Oct 06, 2009, 11:03 AM // 11:03

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Originally Posted by Ccat

It was often infuriating for me to do ZQ's and someone with like 300 health with no DP run into a bunch of nukers. and I'M the healer. Pretty tragic really.

Speaking of which, the last time I PuG'ed was for a Z-quest. Soon as we map in, someone decides then that they need to go afk and get something to eat. Leaving their 2 heroes idle as well. Then someone else decides he'll also go afk. So the other half of us move down, and some crackhead decides it's a great idea to aggro with only half of us present (being HM). The other half of the fail team decides to turn up later, only to find out none of them are carrying a rez.

/ragequit -> H/H'ed it.

Hope you enjoyed the story.

own age myname · Oct 06, 2009, 01:01 PM // 13:01

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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade

So youre saying this:

Dervishes < Scythe Wars <<< ES/DS/HB Wars.

I'd say they're a fair bit better by that comparison.

Also, @OP, if I was getting a PuG together, I wouldn't care whether I had a War or a Derv. I'm far past the point where I have any hope of anyone else having a brain to create synergy in a build, so it's not like they could take advantage of the uber killing power of Wars.

Ya, basically. Doesn't mean Dervishes are horrible to run though. I'd still accept them into a PUG if they had a reasonable build.

Chthon · Oct 06, 2009, 03:10 PM // 15:10

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Originally Posted by Kasstiel

Are dervishes still out-done by ever other prof...?

Yep.

Though, in a perverse sort of way, they can be very helpful to a PUG monk. You always know where to put PS + SoL.

Shadowspawn X · Oct 06, 2009, 08:11 PM // 20:11

Make a pvp derv and get it out of your system, its not worth the time to drag one though all the campaigns.